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Joined on 14 Sep 2007
Total posts: 32

Re: Poor Canada

Thursday, 13 March 2008 17:11

I totaly agree Sunshine2.    Before anyone calls anyone else names, idiots they should firts look in the mirror  and find themselves satisfactory.

 

IF   Sambatogo/Quicktime2 is right  ( interesting similarities in statistics ) ,   you Sunshine2  should reveal your identity publicly,  because according to their theory, you would have to become a new Canadian champion based on the "browny points' you had already  earned defending the Canadian dancesport.

 

But,  you probably want to win the honest way, don't you ?

 

Good luck in Halifax, and just do your best,  politics is a way of life in dancesport, and you should bnot be bothered with what you have no control about.  Someone should start a new thread, Lucky to dance in Canada !

 

 

Joined on 31 Aug 2007
Total posts: 69

Re: Poor Canada

Friday, 14 March 2008 05:27

Jive2004

 

First, I am not Sambatogo. Second, please show me on my post regarding KamilS where I have attacked, abused and offended him.

 

I have noticed you seem fair in your comments in the past, although in the main I do not agree with a lot of them. I would like a clarification regarding your comment on the Quicktime2 post.

Joined on 02 Nov 2006
Total posts: 108

Re: Poor Canada

Friday, 14 March 2008 12:07

Fair vs. unfair ?

The only unfair is a colour of the hair on the black man's bum Wink

 

Quicktime2  in this forum we often have no proven facts and deal with many inuendos and associations.

You seem to have associated with Sambatogo.  So far no problem.

As far as Kamil, was it Sambatogo who wrote :

"We are getting some interesting responses. We have someone who wants to learn the facts and try to understand why some of the IDSF rules have been established and why they are not applied the same way by all IDSF associations." 

No.  It was Quicktime2, you. 

What did you mean by "we" ?   I would like to believe you speak for yourself  and not "us" ,  and it is possible you speak for "yourselves",  which , again and by association, would make you sound as Sambatogo, and his "we"( my spouse and I as, "clarified" by Sambatogo  )

 

As for Kamil,  did you not mean 'Kamil' when you noted,"We are getting some interesting responses..." ?    

Did you not mean Kamil when you wrote in the third tense: "We have someone who wants to learn the facts and try to understand " ? (have you not sounded as a 'teacher' who says: "What have we here ?", and everyone in the class knows exactly what the teacher is talking about ?

I will not repeat the meaning of "we" but point out that it very much sounded as if you  were belittleing Kamil,  and by logical association you were insinuating that the "someone who wants to learn the facts and try to understand" was exactly the person who responded under his real name,  that is Kamil....and if you had not addressed and zeroed in on Kamil,  you certainly did not make it clear,  and again, by association,  and especially that there was no one else who, in my opinion, wanted to learn "the facts",  you meant abd refered to Kamil.

And since you felt I was fair sometimes in the past,  please note that Kamil's and his lovely partner's name had been mentioned in the past,  with very negative, hurtful,  and ill conceived conclusions,  and if you disagreed how unfairly Kamil was treated in this Forum,  I would have expected more sensitivity from you, but again, by association you have sided with Sambatogo , who has apparently blinds on "their" eyes,  and calls contributors Idiots,  and speaks just as you when he reffers to himself as "we".  Perhaps you meant no harm,  perhaps you are just some Royalty and use "we" as the Royals would. 

 ( This Forum would be honored to enjoy having such a nobel contributor,  even a few  folks with the blue blood.  I am disappointed Sambatogo is not such a person,  he excluded himself  when he admited he speaks for his spouse and himself- suppose she stands by him nodding to everything he types,  or worse, stands by him with 2X4 and dictates to him what to write - in which case-Poor Sambatogo,  and shame on his wife calling contributor P-maker Idiots, and ridiculing the rather peculiar SmileNick name  )

 

I suspect this is not the case. 

 

And who was it discussing understanding of democracy ?  You.

I suppose you were right when saying you cannot stop people expressing their views here,  but incorrect in concluding it had anything to do with democracy,  it has to do with freedom to express and to speak,  and above all the availability and lack of restriction and censorship  and permission of the web master to post under the cover of Nick names.

By association Quicktime2 you might as well be Sambatogo,  and in reality it does not matter  if you are or not,  since both of you write, think and write exactly the same thing,  with the exception you have not yet started calling contributors names,  something which  this my response to you may change ?

 

Besides,  you and Sambatogo appear to be in agreement with each other,  after all you had the opportunity  to  disagree with Sambatogo when " they" wrote:

" But to be politicly active on a public forum such as this just 1 week before the CADA Championships could be seen as trying to gather brownie points? KamilS has no Crystal Ball into the future, so as a competitor it is always "A still tongue in a wise head" type of best policy.

Sambatogo.  " 

You did not, and your silence you condoned what Sambatogo posted,  and you have no excuse you did not read Sambatogo's insulting note and suggestion,  because you have logged on and responded to my comments.  Why haven't you corrected Sambatogo ?  Do you also believe "A still tongue in a wise head" type policy, suggested by Sambatogo to "a competitor" was directed to who else, but to Kamil ?   

 

 You had missed  even the opportunity to inform  Sambatogo, that Kamil had become an active member of this Forum in 2006,  and that he has been  "politicaly active"  on the forum since 2006,  and not just a week before the CADA Championship.

 

And the suggestion of the 'brownie points' ????   Do you also agree ?

 

How goes the saying :   'You want to lie with the wolf....etc " 

(PS I have nothing against contributors who are blinded, one sided, ready to follow like a sheep selected goal and walk in one direction,  but I object if they in their 'call it ignorance' start hurting, and/or attacking someone else)

By the way, by signig his real name, Kamil shows more courage than you, I, Sambatogo, and the whole bunch of annonymous contributors put together.

But that's just my opinion.

 

Joined on 24 Dec 2005
Total posts: 208

Re: Poor Canada

Friday, 14 March 2008 12:36

Calm down everyone. When I joined this forum I had hoped that a mature debate could be had by all to come with ideas of what can be done to improve Dance Sport not just in Canada but world wide. I had hoped that those who hold the power would read and take on board comments, aspirations, ideas and begin to change they way Dance Sport is run. But all I see are people who are more interested in scoring points off each other.

Calling people idiots. Insulting people. Attacking people simply because they disagree is just plain daft. We all have ideas about what we would like to see happen and relatively unimportant world. Can we have some ideas please instead of just ranting at each other.

I decided to stop contributing on tis forum but I don't want to. But please can we stop all this nastiness and use the forum as it was intended to be used - to debate, inform and hopefully develop ideas. Even if just one proposal suggested was implemented it could be the start of something beautiful. War solves nothing. Only ideas and dialogue will ever solve our problems. And we have many.

Best wishes
Steve Kelly

Joined on 29 Aug 2007
Total posts: 77

Re: Poor Canada

Friday, 14 March 2008 16:25

Keggs you are totally correct with this statement!

Some of the people on this forum who oppose the ideas that We Sambatogo have put foward, have conviently forgotten that immideiately after calling P- Maker an idiot, that it was promptly appologized for, and retracted. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes. But this appology has been deliberately ignored by our detractors and rehashed time and again.

For the record. Sambatogo has nothing to do with Quicktime2 or the now defunct Polkadancer. And does not speak for the WDC or the CDDSC. Just because we are informed, does not make us them.

We are totally against anyone using their real names. It does not help anyone, and does not address the issues. All it does is turn issues personal. So it is our belief that Kamil should not use his real name in the future just like the rest of us. It serves no purpose if you are legitimate. And sambatogo will give him the beifit of the doubt that it was foolish at the worst only. And not self serving. We have nothing against Kamil and wishes he and his partner all the best for the future. The advise we gave earlier we would give to our own family, just as we did him.

Lets stick to the issues. You may all notice that most of our postings are short in length because We try to keep to the issues. But not always successfully, but will try harder in the future.

Now what about those issues? No one has been able to answer as yet? Especially those with close CADA ties like Thinkofme and Adwiz and is it Jive2004?

Sambatogo.

 

tick to the issues

Joined on 31 Aug 2007
Total posts: 69

Re: Poor Canada

Friday, 14 March 2008 18:06

To Jazz2004

 

I will try to make this brief as I want to see this forum used for discussion about issues not about rubbish.

 

My post was not addressed to anyone in particular. It was to the complete forum readers.  I started with "We are getting some interesting responses" I thought it was obvious that the "we" referred to all the readers.

 

You said I wrote "We have someone who wants to learn the facts and try to understand…." And that I was referring to Kamil. In fact, I was referring to a previous post addressed to Kamil by dancingirl. She wrote

 

 I don't travel around like you do so I did not know that CADA had different rules than England or the United States. I am glad that I found out on this website. CADA has never told us anything about that. I agree it is not nice to have bad things said about Canada. But if it is true, shouldn't we try to fix the problem?

 

Your last point. I am not interested in being involved in therapy sessions, sensitivity questions or personal attacks. And I do not feel I must or should reply to these kinds of statements. That is up to the people who make them. An attack on CADA and CADA policies and the actions (not the individuals) of some people in pushing CADA policies are fair game. The same goes for IDSF, IPDSC, WDC, CDDSC etc. Since these questions relate to the main WDC – IDSF problem what goes on in other countries is of interest to us all.

 

Having said that, maybe we should all lighten up a bit.

 

Joined on 07 Apr 2005
Total posts: 213

Re: Poor Canada

Saturday, 15 March 2008 11:41

Dear Quicktime2,  please do not involve me in your  tag-of-war.    I consider it  a rubbish.  Perhaps you wanted to address Jive2004,  not Jazz.  If you pay more attention to detail,  and address correctly and identify people you speak about, you may avoid misunderstandings.

 

It appears I see here a failure in communication.

 

It is a soory situation when some contributors use "we" to indicate themselves,  and others use "we"  to indicate everybody.

 

Is that what your fight is all about ?

Best regards,

Jazz

 

Joined on 24 Dec 2005
Total posts: 208

Re: Poor Canada

Saturday, 15 March 2008 12:59

Hello all

Let's just all calm it a bit before it gets out of hand. Communication on a forum such as this is always difficult. If anyone is like me (which you probably are simply because you are human beings) then communication problems will always arise. It is very easy to say the wrong ting when you meant something else. Misinterpretation can some times lead to thinking you are being attacked. I've often spelt wrong nicknames myself. Not being a touch typer I very often miss letters out or substitute letters by accident. So please don't attack just because they make mstakes.

And don't forget about the language barrier. Not everyone is proficcient in English even supposedly natural English speakers.

Now let's back to discussing the issues.

Best wishes
Steve Kelly
Joined on 29 Aug 2007
Total posts: 77

Re: Poor Canada

Thursday, 27 March 2008 02:00

The real matters that are at the core of whats wrong with dancesport in canada and with CADA still can not be answered by their supporters. As the wise Polkadancer once said, Can there be any defence for what is indefenceable? It appears that he was right, as expected. That is why Canada is still so poor and not as others want to say as Lucky.

Sambatogo.

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