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Re: EADA "The Ruling Body"


jazz Joined on 07 Apr 2005 Total posts: 444	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Saturday, 24 January 2009 12:15 Apology, by the time I prepared the answer, I was asked to re-log, and were unable to post my response without some computer software additions, I will post it the way it appeared, I have no time to re-write everything, I tried to delete many "@nbsp", Perhaps Dancesportinfo.net Admin can allow us, the "slower writing, long winded" contributors more time before they are logged -off ? quicktime2 Contrary to what you wrote, there are many signs that the road has already turned. The slick marketing of IDSF is being questioned. Spinning the facts, providing misleading information is being revealed. I believe the WDC are on the right track. Provide an alternative is number one. Provide a centre of excellence is number two. WDC without doubt has the best dancers and best coaches.  Why shouldn't competitors want to be part of it? ------------------------ Exactly quicktime2, my sentiment .   WHY DON'T 'COMPETITORS' WANT TO BE PART OF IT ?  In addition WhyAre Not 'Competitors' Part Of It Without any questionWDC the best dancers, the best coaches...yet majority competitors are sticking with the 'evil', 'misleading', 'underhanded'IDSF. May I suggest, with respect, that the reason is because the competitors needs are being met by IDSF ? IDSF 'Competitors' were always able to buy services from the top WDC's Professional Teachers and Coaches. Neither IDSF nor National Members could, would, or ever attempted to stop their 'competitors' from booking, taking, and benefiting from private lessons from WDC's best, hence, no reason for 'competitors' to switch the camps. It is quite interesting how competitors, because of the high demand, must book private lessons months ahead of time from these WDC 'best dancers', take and continue to take lessons,  and  then (are allowed to) compete, and with much success in 'IDSF' and  national member's sanctioned competitions which polarized against WDC ,  under the restrictive rules of IDSF. Answer the questions: Why do 'competitors' want to be part of IDSF, why are 'competitors'staying with IDSFand what is it that IDSF is doing better than WDC ?   Just look at IDSF's Senior 1 and Senior 2 championships. Look at the hundreds of Senior members. Do you believe these already 'over the hill' Olympic hopefulls / athletes stick with IDSF because one day they could make the Olympics National team ? I think not. Sticking with the thought: Have you seen the way WDC and IDSF treats/ appreciates the Seniors ? Why is it WDC Senior events are run either the first day of 3-4 days dancesport event ,  while the more worthy, public attracting   younger 'competitors' are still arriving and registering, when the spectators are still at work, or early during the day, when dance enthusiast are still at home getting ready for the evening dancesport spectacle ?   Who has recognized where the dancesport market lies,who caters to that market better ? IDSF or WDC ?   Lets talk about "Recognition" the strongest motivator for anyone to do anything. What happens to 'competitors'  during and  a few days after they compete in  WDC event ?   They get "cashed out' ,  and unless they make the finals their names  are forgotten.   "Back to the drawing board", they say.   Correction,  their names are NOT forgotten,  from then on they will ALWAYS be sent an application, and reminded they can spend their moneys in years to come.   Has IDSF recognized this.  Does IDSF realized  the power of RECOGNITION ?      IDSF not only rewards dancers with "Points",  they list the names of "their  competitors",  list the names of their " adjudicators" ,  recognizing their becoming IDSF licensees, they provide their members with various perks.   Major part of Dancesportinfo.net's   success   lies in realizing  the power of RECOGNITION.  Dancesportinfo.net success  lies in rewarding 'competitors' by posting their results, and PICs  for everyone to see. The dancers are not forgotten, and they will always return with much interest and tell their friend about the site, where their accomplishments are recorded.      I believe, this is where WDC fails, or lacks.
quicktime2 Joined on 31 Aug 2007 Total posts: 181	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Sunday, 25 January 2009 02:40 Jazz wrote: The competitors needs are being met by IDSF. Answer the questions: Why do competitors want to be part of IDSF, why are competitors staying with IDSF and what is it that IDSF is doing better than WDC. First let us recognize that the dynamics of the IDSF/WDC battle changed completely in 2007, when WDC agreed to include and support amateurs as part of the WDC organization. What has been the result so far? In less than two years the WDC held an Amateur World Competition open to any amateur dancer. It was open to all amateurs regardless of what organization they belonged to - WDC, IDSF, IDSA, IDU, NDCA etc. IDSF banned their competitors from participating. Nevertheless the Hotel was sold out, and there were thousands of entries. I am sure the WDC were pleased with the response. Many of the top amateurs did not participate. But some did. Next year it is bound to be even better. The above answers part of your question "Why are competitors staying with IDSF". My answer is that before 2007 most competitors had little choice. That is why they stayed with IDSF. But now many are moving away from IDSF and becoming part of the WDC Open Policy Competitions. It is also important to keep in mind that IDSF and its National Organizations do not themselves put on many comps. It is the organizers who put on the competitions. Many organizers do not agree with IDSF policies and are turning to the WDC philosophy. As well there are new organizers now coming forward willing to put on competitions, since they do not have to support IDSF in order to run a competition. It is now a fact that the IDSF threats and bans has not stopped the WDC from forming a viable Amateur League. The IDSF has not been able to stop the major comps in the UK nor Assen or the Asia Tour etc etc. The IDSF has done everything possible to try to make these organizers follow the IDSF dictates. To the credit of the organizers they stuck to their principles and did not buckle under to IDSF threats. If it didn't happen now, it will certainly never happen in the future. In the future we will see more of the WDC National Organizations register amateurs and provide an alternative for the competition dancers in their country. You are right on when you say they will have to do a better job then is now being done by the national IDSF organization if they are to succeed. The National Organizations have a big role to play in the future. But that’s another discussion.
JohnBull Joined on 15 Jan 2009 Total posts: 19	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Wednesday, 28 January 2009 13:38 If it were not desperately sad it would be funny. http://www.eada.org.uk/New/eadaforum/index.php?topic=2787.0 This sad little group of Seniors (and in world terms not very good) and hangers on feeling they have been insulted. They are perfect and everyone else is wrong. Lets congratulate each other and say how sweet and wonderful we are. Not one even starts to address the issues in my first post. Little wonder English dancing has serious problems. Its a hard competitive world out there. They are better than dancesport.info even if dancesport is read by more people in a day than EADA in a month. They want us to believe that Cavallaro/Clifton are better dancers than the likes of Wilkins/Newberry and better coaches than Marcus Hilton and Donnie Burns etc etc etc.. Why can they not wake up to the reality that it is them and their mentality that has devalued English Dancesport and brought it to its current sad sad situation?. Is there anything sadder than Professionals turning to an Amateur dance website and pleading gratitude for being given the chance to be listened to - when the Profession unanimously has no interest in their amateur mentality. "I am a radical" they claim in the hope someone somwehere will be interested/impressed. Then they hypocritically claim they want "unity".
johnbull Joined on 15 Jan 2009 Total posts: 19	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Monday, 02 February 2009 12:07 The "Ruling Body" who have given permission to their members to dance in Paris now find those same couples being threatened and supposedly "sanctioned" What kind of a ruling body is this? Powerless, inept and ignored by IDSF. No dancer is an IDSF member and no IDSF Member Country has the right to dictate to another country. Fortunately the couple are way ahead of EADA/IDSF and are now part of a free world- Week after week EADA members compete with NO thanks to EADA or IDSF. Almost all events are provided by members of the DPA who are members of BDC and WDC. I find it hard to sympathise with those who cannot see the reality the truth.
minime Joined on 08 Jan 2009 Total posts: 84	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Monday, 02 February 2009 20:14 First let us recognize that the dynamics of the IDSF/WDC battle changed completely in 2007, when WDC agreed to include and support amateurs as part of the WDC organization. What has been the result so far? In less than two years the WDC held an Amateur World Competition open to any amateur dancer. It was open to all amateurs regardless of what organization they belonged to - WDC, IDSF, IDSA, IDU, NDCA etc. IDSF banned their competitors from participating. Nevertheless the Hotel was sold out, and there were thousands of entries. I am sure the WDC were pleased with the response. Many of the top amateurs did not participate. But some did. Next year it is bound to be even better. It is now a fact that the IDSF threats and bans has not stopped the WDC from forming a viable Amateur League. ------------- This Forum is addictive .... What came first, the chicken or the egg ? Was it IDSF forming IPDSC first, provoking WDC to form the Amateur league , or, vice verse ? Just do not say that IDSF was unable to stop WDC from forming ..........after all WDC have formed Amateur league only as a reaction to IDSF which felt strong, and comfortable forming own their own Professional division. In doing so IDSF threatened WDC, so WDC reacted by similar move to threaten IDSF Amateur membership. These were unfortunate moves, not worthy blowing the horns for either side. This was a desperate action. It is misleading to suggest that IDSF threats and bans had not stopped WDC forming Amateur league. But the IDSF threats were quite effective in preventing top, and significant Amateurs from supporting the WDC formed Amateur league, an unfortunate attempt to duplicate the already existing IDSF Amateur division, ( just as IPDSC is an unfortunate attempt to duplicate WDC Professional division ) By suggesting that the Amateur entry was low, and that it would be higher next year, you are suggesting there cannot be a peace, nor agreement reached between WDC and IDSF and unity in dancesport reached worldwide. If true, this is not good for dancesport. By the time economy takes a bite out of dancesport business, all the in fighting and divisions will upset those who count the most: not IDSF, not WDC, but the dancers. As long as you claim a victory for IDSF, or WDC you suggest Win-Loss scenario, rather than unity and Win-Win, the only acceptable solution. ( disclaimer: the above thought are not original, minime claims no ownership, nor responsibility if Fritz, clones and family find the thought too deep )
sambatogo Joined on 29 Aug 2007 Total posts: 280	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Monday, 02 February 2009 21:14 This may be adding fuel to the fire? But a well known Pro said to sambatogo recently that the dance bussiness has grown so much in the last few decades that it is not unreasonable to have 2 International bodies ruling dancesport. The dance world is big enough to cope with 2 organisations these days. He just may very well be right. 2 polarised organisations running simultaniously. It could still work as it does in other sports. Why does it have to be so bad? So what if there is 2 world Amatuer Champions? May the best organisation win! Sambatogo.
moderate-man Joined on 09 Dec 2006 Total posts: 61	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Monday, 02 February 2009 23:57 Obviously the opinion of a professional who could not succeed in any credible unified business
sambatogo Joined on 29 Aug 2007 Total posts: 280	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Tuesday, 03 February 2009 00:09 Actually completely wrong he was tremendously successful and one who knows a great deal about the dance bussiness. Can the same be said for yourself?
moderate-man Joined on 09 Dec 2006 Total posts: 61	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Tuesday, 03 February 2009 08:22 If only you knew !!
chunky-monkey Joined on 17 Sep 2007 Total posts: 12	Re: EADA "The Ruling Body" Saturday, 21 February 2009 01:31 Just what is hapeening to English Dancing? Will there be anyhting left soon? Does anyone think about the paying customers?