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Colinhn Joined on 11 Jun 2009 Total posts: 5	Re: EADA relaunch website Thursday, 18 June 2009 15:13 spectator100 All in all conclusive proof that English Amateurs should have an alternative registration possibility. EADA does not deserve its monopoly position and Amateurs should not be forced into the arms of EADA/IDSF. Let us hope that a member will contact the President obtain the information and then place it in the public domain - which is where it should be. ---- The last posting by spectator100 seems to indicate the real motives behind the postings of the last few days which have all been aimed at discrediting EADA and its position as the recognised amateur organisation in England. spectator100 and onyourtoes seem to be fixated on trying to pressurise EADA to embark on a particular course of action which would certainly have a strong possibility of financially ruining EADA. This is a risk, which has repeatedly been stated by EADA, that it is not willing to take or, perhaps, this is want they wanted all along.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Feb 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: EADA relaunch website Thursday, 18 June 2009 15:23 Come on colinhn get real. That is an evasive an answer as possible. Turning EADA into the victims is really rather desperate. Facts are facts so deal with the facts. EADA members should know what the policy is. If their is any discrediting that surely it is EADA doing this to themselves. I am sure that all your colleagues are cringing now. I hate to repeat it but it was IDSF who writing about bans and punitive action penned the words in their Press Release: In the first instance, there are laws in most countries dealing with Restrictive Trade Practices. It is also our view that the proposed actions also contravene the Treaty of Rome. If EADA are financially ruined by IDSF Bans and threats well then that is where the blame must lie. If EADA cannot protect their members then surely it is only right that dancers should have the opportunity to be represented by another body. It looks like you are terrified there would be a mass exodus if members ever had a choice. Shell. On a personal note. Please may I say I respect and admire you and I believe that you wholeheartedly are doing the very best possible for all EADA members and you make a big difference to the EADA forum. Such a shame that your abilities are restricted and you cannot give all that I believe you would love to.
Shell Joined on 22 May 2007 Total posts: 17	Re: EADA relaunch website Thursday, 18 June 2009 16:00 Can I ask if you have a reference for the press release statement you quote as I have not seen it and can't find it? Also just to re-iterate: EADA have not said we would "enforce IDSF sanctions" - surely the only people who can enforce IDSF sanctions are the IDSF? Our policy is that we do not advise members to compete in non-IDSF events as they might otherwise face action from the IDSF. If a member decides they want to compete in a non-IDSF event, the President can advise of EADA's legal standing within the matter. Thank you for recognising that I am working hard to improve what EADA does and that I have our members' interests at heart. I believe all the Council are the same in this respect and we are working hard to further Amateur dancing - although you can never please everyone all of the time!
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Feb 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: EADA relaunch website Thursday, 18 June 2009 16:08 Shell please read this http://www.dancesportinfo.net/Forum/6356/PostList.aspx This is the Press Release http://www.idsf.net/press/2006/11_2006.pdf which contains the words. Unfortunately you still miss the central point. IDSF are not God. Even IDSF are not above the law and EADA should not be party to their actions. That does not best serve English DanceSport. I cannot share your sentiments about other Committee members and this thread gives evidence to that. I stand by my comment that you are doing a great job and it is a shame that you do not get the backing you deserve.
colinhn Joined on 11 Jun 2009 Total posts: 5	Re: EADA relaunch website Thursday, 18 June 2009 16:19 Oh onyourtoes. I do not think that my answer is evaise and is more closer to the truth than you care to admit.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Feb 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: EADA relaunch website Thursday, 18 June 2009 16:21 So read the Press Release the lead I have just given and then come back and talk to me. There is neither truth nor validity in your "victim" attitude. I have no position, no staus, no standing with any organisation. I just believe in fair play, the law, and respect for peoples rights. You are against those principles O.K. I accept that.. If EADA cannot provide then others should have the opportunity. Straight answer please. You write " EADA its position as the recognised amateur organisation in England". How many other amateur organisations are there from which to choose with whom competitors can register and compete in England ? Monopolies are frowned upon in most industries today and dance is an industry from which people (not me) earn a living. Please let me make a suggestion. To save your fellow committee colleagues any further cringing quit whilst you are so far behind and leave Shell to deal with the matters. There is a lady far more on the ball and aware of what is going on. However if you are going to respond keep it simple and relevant. Tell us the EADA policy on this no more evasion Members have a right to know. EADA is not some Masonic secret society. No more poor me.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Feb 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: EADA relaunch website Thursday, 18 June 2009 18:28 I made a post in the Assen topic but lets repeat it here. Let EADA see the damage that is being done. Let EADA realise that there are some people with principles who do not bow to threats intimidations and bans. Well Hazel Fletcher along with Alan is going to the BALL !! She has accepted the invitation to adjudicate Assen 2009. That IDSF suspension did not achieve much other than for both Alan and Hazel to return their IDSF Adjudicators Licence. Two quality adjudicators lost to IDSF. Sports Terms. Fletchers 2 - IDSF 0. Fletchers bring credit to English dancing and EADA the opposite.
shell Joined on 22 May 2007 Total posts: 17	Re: EADA relaunch website Thursday, 18 June 2009 20:44 Is my understanding correct in that you feel EADA discredits English dancing by not having renounced it's membership of IDSF as soon as the IDSF stated they would place sanctions upon those competing in non-IDSF comps? Surely if EADA had acted in this way there would be people who thought that very action would have discredited EADA? Don't you think the membership should be consulted and asked to vote on any such significant issues which would affect EADA as a whole? As far as I recall, no-one gave any strong views on this matter at the last AGM. I believe that individuals making decisions about their own future is a very different scenario to a council trying to make a decision for an entire organisation with so many members which would be affected. It seems strange to me that so much is being said about IDSF restrictions but not about other restrictive practices within the danceworld. Going back to your first post, what ways do you think the EADA website can be improved as I would be interested in your feedback. Topics are only locked on our forum if they have become offensive /a personal attack; which is the attitude I believe this Forum takes?
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Feb 2007 Total posts: 657	Re: EADA relaunch website Friday, 19 June 2009 07:27 Shell I do hope that you read the full Press Release on the link you requested. No I am not suggesting the action you outline. Of course the membership should be consulted. In fact I believe the membership should have been consulted before now. This is not a new situation but one that has been developing for some time. I think it is important to distinguish between bans and punitive actions and damaging a career and "restrictions". You do not give an indication regarding the restrictions you have in mind but I would hazard a guess TEACHING is a major one for EADA members. I am of the opinion that in this area there should be greater freedom for the British Amateurs and they should be able to follow the same policies as other competing countries. However lets face it EADA and BDC are well aware that the "restrictions" are being openly flouted by certain EADA members and a blind eye is turned. Fair? Only this week I saw an advert by an EADA member individual "Professional Latin Lessons" were being offered. I am sure you do not mean the "restriction" which means if you wish to compete on the Open circuit in England the EADA is the only available body. I might well write you a private e-mail sometime. Whilst I may be critical and outspoken I also believe that it is vital to be Constructive. ADDITIONAL. Congratulations for getting some preliminary info on the website regarding the IDSF AGM. Just a pity the bits we all want to know are not there!! Excellent job on your part. I like your style.
spectator100 Joined on 07 Jan 2009 Total posts: 32	Re: EADA relaunch website Friday, 19 June 2009 11:58 To me English Dance Sport can best be served by working for exactly that English Dance Sport. That means all involved Professionals and Amateurs. There should be no division and no two camps. It seems to me that many EADA members see the Professional as the "Enemy". That these people are their mentors in many cases, coach them, help them to develop and grow seems not to count. So many ignore that the Professionals are exactly that and earn all their income from dance . Because they seek a reasonable income this is derided. Professionals charge far less than for instance Lawyers, IT specialists, Motor Mechanics and even Plumbers!! The expenses and riks that a Professional faces are never taken into account.. I wonder just how much the EADA members truthfully know about the IDSF. If they are ever to be asked to make decisions then they should be aware of all information. Who will tell them the hard truths. The EADA members seem to believe that IDSF is some wonderful organisation comprising Amateurs and working for Amateurs. This simply is not the truth. In England the Professionals have allowed EADA to develop as a true Amateur organisation free from Professional intervention. Yes I know about BDC but they do not interfer in the day to day administration of EADA. the In so very many countries the IDSF National Member is made up entirely of Professionals, controlling the Amateurs and ensuring that the Professional interests come first. Which EADA Amateurs believe Shawn & Gladys Tay, Barbara Ambroz, Petr Odstrcil, to name just a few are Amateurs working for Amateurs?